Ethiopian 737 MAX Trim Jackscrew set "Nose-down"

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 03/15/2019 at 18:32 • Filed to: None

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What’s interesting to me is that if you read this story on AVWeb — which got hacked today and is still recovering — they say “nose-down,” where the “mainstream” media, like LA Times, says “set to dive.” Farbeit from the media to hype something up or be other than objective...

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WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/15/2019 at 18:42

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When I want to learn something about an accident, I read Avweb and other aviation related sites, not the general media.

The general media is both clueless and sensationalist and it’s annoying as he ll .

“ nose down” is more correct anyways. 

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/15/2019 at 19:11

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Which is more damning.

The MCAS specifically acts to force the plane into nose down attitude using the jackscrew.

RacinBob > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/15/2019 at 19:17

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Lion Air crash report  http://knkt.dephub.go.id/knkt/ntsc_aviation/baru/pre/2018/2018%20-%20035%20-%20PK-LQP%20Preliminary%20Report.pdf

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 03/15/2019 at 19:20

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I wanted to post the AVw eb story, but because they were hacked, it was not available.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 03/15/2019 at 19:21

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Not. Good.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/15/2019 at 19:26

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I figured. The fact that the trim was nose down isn’t surprising really - given everything we knew already, I would have been shocked if it wasn't. 

ranwhenparked > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/15/2019 at 20:33

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I can imagine the editorial discussion that went into it.

So, what happens with this jackscrew thing set like that?

W ell, a 737 pilot I talked to says it puts the nose down

So, wait, if the nose is pointing down, that means the plane is basically diving straight down towards the ground, right?

Maybe, I guess, he just said it pointed the nose down.

But we can say it was in a dive, right? Nose down could be considered a dive?

Technically, yes, I guess it could be.

Then go with dive, I want it in the headline. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 03/15/2019 at 22:24

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Right, but without the MCAS bedeviling the pilots, perhaps the aircraft would still be flyable. Pure supposition on my part, obviously, but I think lack of experience and lack of proper training may prove to be significant contributing factors.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ranwhenparked 03/15/2019 at 22:25

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No. There was no discussion, just an ignorant 25-year-old typing an entry into the part of Kinja that the LA Times uses.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/16/2019 at 00:09

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To be clear, I think it’s likely that the MCAS is what rolled in the nose down trim.

It’s very rare that an airliner crashes from only 1 cause - it takes a handful working together in most cases. MCAS failure isn’t an unrecoverable condition - but if the crew isnt trained to deal with it or doesn’t have the experience to recognize and drew with it, the consequences are absolute, apparently.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 03/16/2019 at 19:47

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That would be my thinking.